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Skinny Girls--My Response

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KatarainTHREAD STARTER6 posts in this thread
#1 · Jul 29, 2004
Exactly what kind of bitching are we talking about that fat people make about skinny people? There are some very valid "bitching" points to be made.

1. Hollywood and Supermodel Skinny
The image perpetuated by Hollywood and the presentation as the supermodel's figure as the perfect body is a very negative one. It is a valid bitching point. It causes many young girls to develop eating disorders in an attempt to attain this unrealistic and unhealthy goal weight.

2. Skinny or thin people who complain that they're fat to a fat person
Another VERY valid bitching point. It happens all the time and is completely rude and thoughtless. Often, the thin person is trying to attain the Hollywood/Supermodel image of beauty and ignoring the fact that their body shape and weight is already perfect. It's extremely sad that people, specifically women, are expected to be all the same shape and weight. Some people are healthier a few pounds over the ideal weight on some weight chart, and some people are healthier a few pounds under. (And for some, the difference is even more than just a few pounds.)

3. Skinny people who think they're better than fat people
This idea is completely ridiculous, and yet many skinny people think so. This can mean many things. Many thin women think they are more attractive than overweight women and are not shy about emphasizing their point quite loudly. This is erroneous, however, because many men are more attracted to a curvier woman than a thin one. Not all, of course. The idea that a wife needs to blame herself for her husband's attraction to other women, though, is totally stupid and insulting. There is a big difference between simple attraction and downright ogling, anyway. I don't care if you're a thin wife with a husband who drools over the voluptuous women or a voluptuous woman with a husband who drools over thin women. That doesn't mean you have to change your body or that you can be blamed for his drooling. If that were the case, then it would LOGICALLY follow (no matter what Brittney's fornication/adultery disclaimer said) that the wife is ultimately responsible for her husband's infidelity.

Also, many thin women might think they are better than an overweight woman in all areas of life. She might think she's more disciplined, stronger, a better worker, and have a better personality. These are not connected issues, however. Overweight women can be all of those things. Which brings me to my next bitching point...

4. Fat women may bitch about their weight if they feel like it
There are reasons for being overweight other than simple laziness and overeating. For instance, many young girls develop something called "Poly-cystic Ovary Syndrome." or PCOS. Because of a hormonal imbalance (although I'm sure it's a bit more complicated than that), weight gain is caused. This IS something that can be controlled in most girls, but if the girl doesn't know she has the syndrome, it is likely that traditional means just won't work, or at least not work well. In fact, if the syndrome is not diagnosed in puberty, an older woman with PCOS might have an even harder time losing the weight. This is a fairly new discovery, so we have a lot of women who are newly diagnosed and finally getting treatment. (This syndrome also can make a woman infertile--a little more serious than extra weight, in my opinion.)

While I will say that often overweight people are that way because of lifestyle habits and decisions, it is wrong of anybody else just to assume that is the case. And losing weight is a difficult endeavor, and anyone attempting it shouldn't have to listen to some skinny person "motivating" them.

5. Women who are classified as being "fat" but aren't have a right to bitch
I don't care if it's an extra 5 pounds or an extra 40. Some women are HEALTHY and beautiful over the "industry standard." Any healthy woman who is told that she is fat has a right to bitch about it. In fact, there have been scientific studies to show that women who've been labeled as "fat" are much healthier than thinner women.

6. CLOTHES
I don't care what size you are--nobody wants to wear a mumu. And nobody should have to. Overweight women, who, as Brittney pointed out, comprise something like 60% of the population, but are stuck with about 25% of the clothes sold. Usually, the "plus-size" sections are hidden away and contain the ugliest clothes EVER. While I agree that no one should wear clothes with "fat rolls" hanging out, as Brittney so sweetly pointed out, there are many stylish designs that look fabulous on overweight women. The problem comes when plus-size lines are merely enlargements of thin-people styles, or tents with big flowers on them. Neither looks good on most plus-sized bodies. Thankfully, there are more and more plus-size lines that look good. It's about time.

7. Overweight women have a right to bitch about thin bitches.
A disclaimer right off--not all thin women are bitches. Most of them are quite nice! I bring up this point because I highly doubt that the fat girls in Brittney's high school were bitching about the skinny girls getting all of the hot dates. More than likely, the skinny girls were insulting, deriding, and mocking the fat girls. Brittney makes it sound like the poor skinny girls were so abused by the fat girls. Oh, the cruelty, the humanity! If the fat girls were bitching about the skinny girls getting dates, it was probably because they just couldn't understand what the guys saw in such shallow girls. (You can tell they're shallow because of the use of the word "fat," and the assumption that the fat girls only bitch about skinny girls getting all of the hot guys.) Was Brittney in on these fat girl conversations? How did she know what they were talking about?

So you see, I simply don't see where fat women are bitching so much about skinny women. It is true that women with realistic bodies often deride the negative body image perpetrated by hollywood, but I think most women, fat or thin, would agree that some women are naturally skinny and are healthiest that way. The problem comes in when someone, NOT a doctor, tells a woman with a curvy body that she needs to change. And she has every right to bitch about that.

-Katarain, a happily married overweight woman (and *gasp* my husband thinks I'm sexy and beautiful. Imagine!)
And you... You wouldn't be able to touch me. Because this-- this thing with you -- it's wrong! I know it! Not a complete idiot! You think I like having you here?! Destroying everything that was me until all that's left is you in a dead shell.
Aeryn4 posts in this thread
#2 · Jul 29, 2004
So I can't bitch about my weight if I am skinny? Am I regulated to sitting around and taking people's comments and jokes and insults about how I will blow away or I look like one of the olsen twins or that if I have an eating disorder? If I say I am trying to gain weight, they are insulted.

Where are MY rights?

Oh and where are my hot guys?
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Katarain6 posts in this thread
#3 · Jul 29, 2004
Well, I was speaking from the standpoint of a very-non-skinny woman--but I never meant to imply that a skinny woman can't bitch about her weight. Smile

I think it's wrong to comment, joke, or insult about someone's weight, whether they're skinny or fat, or anywhere in between.

And they shouldn't be insulted... they could give you tips! Wink

Hehe... no... there are healthy ways to gain weight.. I've just never needed to know about them.

And I already know about the healthy ways to lose weight. Despite Brittney's stellar motivational techniques, I still want to tell her to shove it. Smile

-Katarain
And you... You wouldn't be able to touch me. Because this-- this thing with you -- it's wrong! I know it! Not a complete idiot! You think I like having you here?! Destroying everything that was me until all that's left is you in a dead shell.
magikangel133 posts in this thread
#4 · Jul 29, 2004
One of my friends wants to lose weight because she isn't as skinny as the rest of my friends....but I really don't want her to.Her skin looks amazing compared to the rest of us.
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#5 · Jul 29, 2004
I'm sitting here wondering if that column was supposed to be serious, or a parody. After reading it I am honestly not sure. If it was serious, the writer is seriously f--ed up.
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#6 · Jul 29, 2004
I hate that American culture has decreed that women MUST BE so thin, and not even for the health reasons. I actually fit in the largest size available for many stores/brands and if you've ever met me or seen a picture, you can see that I am not horribly overweight.

Katarain6 posts in this thread
#7 · Jul 29, 2004
By thread do you mean my post?

*shrugs* Wasn't it together enough?? Smile

-Katarain
And you... You wouldn't be able to touch me. Because this-- this thing with you -- it's wrong! I know it! Not a complete idiot! You think I like having you here?! Destroying everything that was me until all that's left is you in a dead shell.
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#8 · Jul 29, 2004
Alright, a point of view from "team twig" I've always been really underweight. Last year I weighed 20 pounds under the healthy weight and everyone at my school thinks I have an eating disorder. People have been calling me anorexic since I was nine. Honestly! Have you ever met an anorexic nine year old? The school nurse keeps giving me pamplets and telling me shes "not judging me" when I keep telling her I don't have eating disorder. I don't think I'm better than overweight people. This is how I was born. I think I would be more attractive if GAINED a few pounds not lose them. Do you think it's normal to be 14 years old, 5'8" and weigh 90 pounds? Being skinny isn't all that glamorous. Or says the twig.
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#9 · Jul 29, 2004
LOL Smile

Hey Miles, in last week's people, it talks about eating disorders. Children as young as 5 have been reported with eating disorders. The child picked it up from her mother who constantly complained about her own weight. She got help, then at America's Top Model last year, the judges told one to lose weight and it set the now 12 yr old off again. But her mom was able to take control of it again.

I know how you feel, and it does suck. I get it all the time and I am close to 30 now. My mom still questions me sometimes.
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#10 · Jul 29, 2004
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#11 · Jul 29, 2004
Wooohoo!!!!!!!!! I got honked!!!!!!!!!!!

*sing songs* Nora wuvs me Smile
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Katarain6 posts in this thread
#12 · Jul 29, 2004
Sounds like people are given hell for being overweight, and underweight, and everything in between. Even for healthy weights if they're over OR under what "they" say is right.

Well, screw "They!" We're all wonderful, sexy women! Hear us Roar!!

Next time we hear anybody berating anybody else because of their size, let's take some action. Kicking butts and taking names.... Or something... Smile

People just need to learn to mind their own business. Yes?

-Katarain
And you... You wouldn't be able to touch me. Because this-- this thing with you -- it's wrong! I know it! Not a complete idiot! You think I like having you here?! Destroying everything that was me until all that's left is you in a dead shell.
Nora2 posts in this thread
#13 · Jul 29, 2004
Katarain, can we paddle them? Twisted Evil
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Katarain6 posts in this thread
#14 · Jul 29, 2004
Yes! I give permission to paddle anybody judgemental and mean about weight.

*hands out paddles*

Good? Smile

-Katarain
And you... You wouldn't be able to touch me. Because this-- this thing with you -- it's wrong! I know it! Not a complete idiot! You think I like having you here?! Destroying everything that was me until all that's left is you in a dead shell.
magikangel133 posts in this thread
#15 · Jul 29, 2004
*takes paddle*

Don't bother giving one to Nora....i'm sure she's got her own Twisted Evil
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Aeryn4 posts in this thread
#16 · Jul 29, 2004
I am thin, beautiful, insecure....... and best of all!!!!!!!! a WOMAN!

hear me ROAR!
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#17 · Jul 29, 2004
It's great to read this when I'm on a diet. . .make the fatass feel at home rollin'

(note the sarcasm) rollin'
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#18 · Jul 29, 2004
I'd like to state (if it is apparent enough)...

Brittney Parker's views do not reflect those of HMC.

Thank you and goodnight. *curtain falls*
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#19 · Jul 30, 2004
I do not look that over-weight, though my scale says otherwise.
When people (when I ask them to) guess my weight, it comes near to 130-150 lbs.
Imagin the shock when I say I'm 210 lbs?

BUT WAIT!!! I'm also 5'9" and exceptionally strong. And muscle mass weighs more than fat.

I do feel extremely pressured into loosing weight, though I don't think I'm ugly for it. I look in the mirror (and my pictures) and see a beautiful girl staring back.

Though sometimes my family thinks that I've devoloped anarexsia, which is just plain out dumb.

Because of the stereotypes of over-weight people, I always find it difficult for me to eat in public (mostly when I'm starving cause I haven't eaten anything all day). Hence why in school, I would either not eat at all during lunch or get through it quickly before it becomes too crowded.

There you go...
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#20 · Jul 30, 2004
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#21 · Jul 30, 2004
Ok. I have a few points to make to various ppl.

1. Hollywod's image- who do you think made it that way? Ppl who think that women should be skinny. I mean, HELLO!! Secondly, the ppl in Hollywood are not as thin as you want them to be. And yes, they do lie about their size, just like you do. In other words, there aren't as many overly skinny women as you think there are. Also, look at Drew Barrymore. She's a sex object and she's not a size 2. Marilyn Monroe was a size 16 and she was HOT!

2. Fat ppl who complain to skinny ppl they're fat to skinny ppl. Well, do SOMETHING about it. What if I were 350 lbs and I complain to to my friend who's 700 lbs? Is it wrong to complain? I can't blame women who want a thin body. Those who try too hard to acheive it though, now that's a problem.

3. Men who are attracted to fat women are called chubby chasers. Not to burst your bubble, but there aren't many of them. If there were there would be more fat asses in porn. I didn't say they were responsible I said oogling wasn't illegal. Jesus Christ don't tell me that you don't oogle over Brad Pitt or Elizabeth Hurley. And yes, there is a valid bitching point about ppl who think they are better than others but seriously, that's a problem that fat ppl have too. Some ppl are just assholes and think they are better than others.

4. If fat ppl can bitch about their weight, so can skinny ppl. so there!

5. I didn't say that all overweight ppl we're fat. I said that if you were unhealthy because of your weight that you need to do something about ie. I can't help that your a fat ass no more than you can help that I'm a size 2.

6 Clothes- Either you've never been to wal-mart or your shopping in the wrong stores. I mean, what about Lane Bryant? Both stores have a nice selection of clothes that would fit fat asses, or so I've heard.

7. As a poor skinny girl, I was abused vergally by the fat asses and the only time I ever brought up na weight issure was when they started it. Just because I could finish it is what pissed them off so badly.

I will once again say that I like my women curvy. So don't blame me for what's out there.

Just so you know, the only reason I weigh 102 lbs now is due to my breasts.

Have a nice day! Laughing
Brittany
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#22 · Jul 30, 2004
Thanks for that. . .it opened my eyes. . .Rolling Eyes

Laughing
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#23 · Jul 30, 2004
I'm glad it's opened somebody's eyes.
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#24 · Jul 30, 2004
I guess I appreciate too wide a range of body types in women. Note: wide was not a snide remark here.
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#25 · Jul 31, 2004
*looks up*

Grr...Arg *seizure*
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Katarain6 posts in this thread
#26 · Aug 1, 2004
Swing in this tree
Oh I am bounce around so well
Branch to branch,
limb to limb you see
All in a day's dream
I'm stuck
Like the other monkeys here
I am a humble monkey
Sitting up in here again
But then came the day
I climbed out of these safe limbs
Ventured away
Walking tall, head high up and singing
I went to the city
Car horns, corners and the gritty
Now I am the proudest monkey you've ever seen
Monkey see, monkey do

Then comes the day
Staring at myself I turn to question me
I wonder do I want the simple, simple life that I once lived in well
Oh things were quiet then
In a way they were the better days
But now I am the proudest monkey you've ever seen
Monkey see, monkey do
Monkey see, monkey do
And you... You wouldn't be able to touch me. Because this-- this thing with you -- it's wrong! I know it! Not a complete idiot! You think I like having you here?! Destroying everything that was me until all that's left is you in a dead shell.