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Different Paths!!!(Character Deaths)

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#1 · Jul 31, 2004
I was driving today and when I stopped at a stop light, I started thinking. What happened if it was Anya or Dawn that was killed by Warren's stray bullet intstead of Tara. What if Dawn indeed did die in Glory's ritual or in that fact, that Spike did fight off Doc in time in order for both Summers women to survive. So I thought of a few realistic instances that if different characters died or no character died at all in Buffy. This no doubt whould have completely changed the stories.

Each Season is viewed as it was aired. The reprocussions from my speculation has no affect on the succeeding seasons.

Buffy Season 1:
What if Xander and Angel were too late and Buffy did drown in the Master's lair?
Well that one would be completely identical to other Slayer's final battles. They square off a demon and lose, therefore another is called. Kendra is called then loses, Faith is called then loses, the cycle continues. If Buffy did die, sure the Master would have risen, thats it. No Angelus trying to suck the world into Hell, the Key would have been some random object and Glory wouldn't have a chance to collapes the dimensional walls, and Angel would most lilkely left Sunny-D and become a more of a moper.

Buffy Season 2:
What if Angel died in Spike's ritual to revive Dru?
Then Buffy would have easily slayed Spike and Dru because they killed her boyfriend. Then Xander/Cordy and Willow/Oz would still be together because no Spike to lock them away in the factory which would lead to no Tara which would have Tara still alive. Also Anya would have never come to Sunnydale to grant Cordy's wish. A more apparent one would be no Buffy/Angel sex therefore the world would never be in danger of Hell-suckage which would have Buffy in Sunnydale which no explusion which also would have Kendra alive. Which leads to no Faith. The possibilities are endless.

At the moment, I can't think of any Buffy Season 3 deaths. Please add some if you can think of any.

Buffy Season 4:
What if Willow did die from Veruca?
Oz would have that on his conscience and most likely he'd leave still, but never to return. Again, Tara would still survive because she'd never meet Willow. Buffy, Xander, and Giles would grieve like in Doppelgangland. All would isolate each other which lead to no Xander/Anya and no Buffy/Riley. Maggie Walsh would have succeeded and Adam would have made the Demon/Human/Robot army since no Buffy to question Initative motives or at most to stop Adam. I remember hearing Joss Whedon considering Xander to be the gay character on his show so there's a chance for Xander to realize he's gay.

Buffy Season 5:
*This is a hard season to judge because two very important character deaths occured: Buffy and Joyce Summers. Therefore I'll visit both possibilities.

What if Joyce's tumor did go into remission and she didn't die?
Buffy would have never had to step up to grown-up responsilibities. Therefore her actions succeeding Joyce's death would be drastically different. She'd enroll back into college therefore she'd never have to work at the Doublemeat Palace. She'd never be vulnerable enough for Spike to be an outlet to be conforted in. Thus the events in Season Six with her and Spike would be never a possibility. Riley would still be around and probably an ally with the fight against Glory. Dawn wouldn't be her volitile self and most likely her kleptomania wouldn't be an issue. Most likely Buffy never would have to question her ties to the world therefore be more assertive in her fight with Glory. No death of Dawn or herself. Thus the entirety of Season Six would never occur.

What if Dawn did die or what if Spike was successful in fending Doc off?
This a big one. If Dawn died, I'd imagine Buffy to "pull a Willow" or to kill herself. To lose her mother and sister so close together would have tremendous reprecussions. I'd be a momumental task of the other Scoobies to get Buffy out of that slump. It's one thing killing yourself to save your sister and the world. It's completely different to fail your sister and the world. At least Buffy had to get back into life. To fail another is drastically different. I'd be another chance for the Scoobies to band together even tighter. Most likely Season Six would have the Trioka, but they'd be easier to eliminate because Buffy still in life and with the support of her friends. Thus Tara alive and Willow good. If Spike was successful in fending Doc off? Now that would be the most "happy" of the possibilies. Buffy and Dawn alive and well. No Season Six hijinks. The most drastic of the possibilites would be no Buffy/ Spike attempted rape, thus no incentive of Spike to reedeem himself. Again no Tara death and no Willow bad.Also Xander and Anya would have announced their marriage sooner and voice their fears thus successfully married. Giles could go to England without fear and Buffy could have grown up without such obstacles as a troubled teen or abusive realationship. This ending along with Dawn dieing instead would have set the tone for the rest of series. No Season Seven. Period. The First would have no loophole to kill off the Slayer line. This death is hands down the most monumental of all of them.

Buffy Season 6:
What if Tara didn't die?
Although on how the series played out, this is the least monumental, but is the most sentimental at least to me. I love Tara along with Amber Benson so to have Willow and Tara to band together to face the First is a plot point I'd much rather see than Willow just become a support character and do occasional magic and get with Kennedy. Season Six would still go along. Spike would still get his soul back, no evil Willow, and Buffy wouuld have to go take care of Warren herself. If a different female lead died instead(Anya or Dawn come to mind) the series would have been a bit different. I believe Buffy would still be the one to defeat Warren because I don't think it would be a Xander thing to do to go "Wes" and bust out the guns to kill Warren. It's a possibility, but not a Xander thing to do. If Dawn died, we'd have a whole new show. Buffy would instead of just defeating Warren, she'd kill him. Then we'd have dark Slayer and most likely the finishing of the Willow recovery woulld be her, Tara, and Xander to save Buffy.

Buffy Season 7:
What if Spike did get slayed by Robin Wood?
This is a huge one being how the series ended. Buffy would have no support with her when she got thrown out of her house. Thus I believe the First would have won. Buffy wouldn't have never got the Scythe or get back with the Scoobies. Another possibilty is that Buffy would have never gotten thrown out of her house. She'd have no arguement with Giles about Spike(if she didn't realize that he was stalling her) Although huge, this doesn't have a millon possibilies.
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#2 · Jul 31, 2004
Too many questions there...so little time...so many possibilities....*head explodes*
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#3 · Jul 31, 2004
and you thought of all this whilst parked at a red light???

Man, you have a super fast thought process! *LOL*

I suppose this is all the "WHAT IF" facter. There are about a million what if's out there...some covered by fan-fics, some by the actors, and writers themselves.

This hurts my brain too much to think about....Can't get the thought of no Spike and Dru in Buffy outta my head now! This is a bad thing!

*goes off to cry softly in a corner to himself*
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#4 · Jul 31, 2004
A lot to process here but a great analysis. Like the others I need to ponder this a bit, though I feel much the same as you- I need to have Tara back. I'll be back....
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#5 · Jul 31, 2004
Looking forward to it...........
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#6 · Jul 31, 2004
Tonys gonna love this.

Season 3

What if Faith never killed Mr. Trick. Mr. Trick would probably have killed buffy or faith or both. No slayer in sunnydale. Mr Trick rules Sunnydale. Mr Trick rules the world. Mr Trick rules the universe. All bow down before mr Trick. The end.
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#7 · Jul 31, 2004
Quick message abt Joyce; Riley left while Joyce was recovering and doing well, so his absence would still be exactly that I think. As for the death itself, (and Joyce's tumor was probably gone; the aneurysm was aparently a side-effect fo the operation itself) yes Buffy's choices in the end of S-5 would ahev been less unworkable. But given Dawn as the target of GLory, Joyce would ahve ahd to actually join the Soccoobies in a snese, which woudl ahve been a a big charcater change. One /////// I kinda fancy actually.
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Harmony;And you seem like you could keep her,Spike, and Angel from killing each other (vo;megabitch)
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D: Hey, did you come here for dinner too?
H:Actually I felt like dancing, this place usually hops but tonight it's deader than we are.
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#8 · Jul 31, 2004
Your season 1 changes,
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#9 · Jul 31, 2004
What if BUffy had killed Faith when she stabbed her during Angel's illness? Who else could have stopped Angelus on Ats? The big bad in LA may have succeeded, eventually spilling into the rest of the world, including Sunnydale, and be fought from there.
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#10 · Aug 1, 2004
Ah but if that had happened then we don't know who the new slayer would have been do we? She could have stopped Angelus maybe? We just don't know because we don't know who it would have been!
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#11 · Aug 1, 2004
If Tara had not died, would Willow have been able to cast the activation spell in Chosen? Tara was the moral anchor and guide for Willow; Willow had the power but tara had the ethics and the knowledge. Would it have been possible for Willow to work a spell far beyond the deepest she had ever gone? Or, on the other hand, woould Tara have provided her the needed strength that kennedy could not? Kennedy had no magic; we know that Tara in combination with Willow may have been hugely powerful.

Willow ould not have killed Warren or Rack and would have not needed redemption. Tara and Willow could have helped guide Buffy.
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#12 · Aug 1, 2004
For the death opf Spike by Wood in season 7. I would emagine that Angel would've stayed with the amulet and been in the situation that Spike had been in, he would be the one who died saving the workld and Shanshuing or just dieing and comeing back like SPike did in Season 5 of Angel. But that wouldv'e made it very different. No Spike in season 5 and ghosty Angel (or no Angel) would have changed the circumstances majorly. The fang gang probably wouldn't have still worked for Wolfram and Hart if Angel died and therefore, Fred wouldn't have died, Gunn would be street smart, Lorne would be jolly, Wesley would be alive and happy because Fred didn't die, Lindsey probably would have come in to take over and lost, since he was all by himself. Cordelia wouldn't have come back, or would have been moved befcause they weren't working there anymore. Connor would probably get his memories back, along with everyone else, which would then lead to Wesley feeling guilty and the others skeptical to him. I think that death is the second most important death since it changes so much.
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#13 · Aug 2, 2004
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#14 · Aug 2, 2004
On thether hand, If Tara had lived she might have provided the necessary guidance to help Willow or to combine and anchor with Willow in the event that something magical had to be done to save the earth from total destruction. The two together would be a force like had hardly ever been seen on Earth before, even greaer than Willow alone was in Chosen.
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#15 · Aug 2, 2004
If buffy hadn't died then willow would have never to bring her back so she would have never been driven to the edge by magic.
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#16 · Aug 2, 2004
Good point Miles.
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#17 · Aug 2, 2004
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#18 · Aug 3, 2004
My feeling; if Warren had hit Willow thru the window and not Tara...well Tara being who she is she woudln't ahve gone all dark. And Buffy's recvoery would ahve taken longer because she wouldn't ahve interfered in the surgery. (And Buffy's monitor flat-lined b/c of Willow's nterference not b/c the operation was failing.) So to get the ending thta let's face it most (not all I know) of us wnated Warren would ahve ahd to kill himself or soemthing.

Which would ahev meant Tara-Kennedy in that S-7; for allw e know there'sd a parallel universe where Aly went all Susanne-Smoers-y and that was what went on screen.
Mex. '01
Darla:Well you're certainly like Drusilla described. (voiceover;imbecile)
Harmony;And you seem like you could keep her,Spike, and Angel from killing each other (vo;megabitch)
Both glare then giggle
D: Hey, did you come here for dinner too?
H:Actually I felt like dancing, this place usually hops but tonight it's deader than we are.
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#19 · Aug 5, 2004
I was also thinking, what about Angel deaths? In season one, what if Doyle never died? Wesley never would've come and then most likely, they would've lost a really good researcher and ally. The whole Fred thing would be pointless since Doyle and Cordy would've been dating and so, Fred would've had a crush on Doyle or something like that...but alot of things would've changed. The entire 3, 4, nd 5 seasons of Angel would have to be rewriten because since, Doyle can't read ancient texts, he wouldn't have been able to translate the 'father will kill the son' prophecy and Connor would've lived anormal life (well as normal as it gets), adn so Cordy never would've gone bad. Or, if Cordy and Doyle were together and Happy, knowing Joss, he wouldv'e killed oe of them soon or done something to make them not happy. Or wesley would've shown up anyways and they'd have another ally.

I can't think of any season two deaths...

Season 3: Darla, What if she never staked herself? Connor never would've been born, nd the entire Holtz, Wesley, Sajhan, Cordy, the beast, jasmine and Wolfram and Hart thing NEVER would've happened.

Season 4: I can't think of any signifiacant deaths except for Lilah. If she never would've died, Wesley wouldn't have brought Faith in because Lilah was who mentioned it to him before he cut her head off. There fore, Angelus wouldn't have been stopped without more deaths and Buffy wouldn't have Faith as an ally in the final battle.

Season5: Ok, I have two, starting with Cordy: If cordy hadn't died, she probably would've kicked Spike out, or something like that, convinced angel to get out, and never would've given him the vision of the black thorn.

Fred: Okay, this isn't a very big one, but I wanna see if it works. If fred didn't die, Wesley would be happy, and the whole Illyria Thing wouldn't have happend, so they would not have a very strong person with them in the final battle and probably would've done worse than they were going to do.
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#20 · Aug 6, 2004
There are an infinite number of ways things could have played out so i'm not even goin to go there.......

Causality my friends is a fickle thing....
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